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David R. Graham commented on this by Scott Johnson:
This is not news, this is self-promotion. Everyone long knows . . . what Ami is just discovering? And making a name for himself with it? He’s a joke, a fear-monger. Sad.
What is news today is the Islam-Democrat-RINO-NeverTrump nexus. Not so many people know that and should.
Also what is news is that MB is only one strand of the Salafi Jihad sheaf. A few grasp that. Salafism is the underlying ideology and its real name is Asharite Islam, in contrast to Mutazilite Islam, which is far more civil and agreeable . . . and nearly extinct.
PaulStPaul to David R. Graham
I’d be interested if you are able to provide a brief statement of what a Non-Moslem should understand about Islam and / or how they can educate themselves on the essential aspects which are of concern. Presented for a layperson who is not interested in becoming a scholar of Islam. But rather how to live with Moslems and distinguish those who present a threat from those who do not present a threat.
BTW – Do you make a distinction between Salafism & Wahhabism?
David R. Graham to PaulStPaul
Crone and Cook: Hagarism. Sai Baba of Shirdi.
David R. Graham PaulStPaul • 2 minutes ago
Answered your Qs, got holding for approval. Do not see the trigger words. Maybe gets approved by morning …? Anyhow, thanks for the Qs. And this: Salafism = Wahhabism.
PaulStPaul to David R. Graham
Thanks for your reply. I did not intend to put you on the spot or create a side-discussion. I just considered that it may be helpful & of interest to other readers here. I did see your comment being held for approval, and I did open it.
Your comment is informative and will provide for more learning of how Islam may affect me. I am most concerned with Islam’s doctrine as it relates to Non-Moslems
David R. Graham to PaulStPaul
On that question — relation to Non-Muslims — the difference between Mutazilite and Asharite Islam is significant. You will feel/see it as you examine. The most thorough, non-hyped, non-fear-mongering, scholarly exposition of Islam on the web of which I am aware (and I ain’t omniscient) is by a Christian theologian/clergyman, The Rev. Dr. Mark Durie (and here), an Aussie Anglican Cleric and linguist of great learning and calm insight.
David R. Graham to PaulStPaul
Last first: Wahhabism is Salafism. Wahhab was a man, intermarried with Sauds, effective still. Salaf means purity. Wahhabism is Islamic Puritanism (Arius, Cromwell, and Harvard on steroids). Salafism is continuation of Asharite Islam.
Wahhab — 18th Century, concurrent with USA founding — noted the several American-European Enlightenments, felt threatened, developed high legalistic scrupulosity, stoned a woman to death as his first act of rigorous piety (Salafism). Characteristic of any iteration of Puritanism. Modern USA Islamocrats are Puritans. Nasty businessmen. Violent, invita minerva.
Islam is a genuine religion, emphasis on submission to divine mercy, but its near genuine iteration, Mutazilite Islam, is nearly extinct, beaten down by Asharite Islamists long before Wahhab/Salfism, who are Asharites for modern delectation. Koran does not in whole reflect God’s or Mohammed’s writings or intentions. Entire second (Medina) part is spurious. Crone and Cook: Hagarism. Sai Baba of Shirdi.
8ball to David R. Graham
Horowitz is not just discovering Islam and he is not a joke. Your comment is ignorant. Very few Americans understand Islam. Horowitz does.
Stanley1 to David R. Graham
But does everyone know?
I think the critical fact is that most Americans are clueless about this, regarding Islam as just another religion instead of what historian Serge Trifkovic called it: a totalitarian ideology incompatible with the fundamental values of the West — and all other civilized societies, India, China, and Japan included
PaulStPaul to Stanley1
It seems that it would be great if there were greater awareness of the critical fact that Islam is a a totalitarian ideology incompatible . . . and then have the education or conversation continue from there. I’m not sure if that fact would have made an impact on me some years ago. At this point I take it as not disputable. In fact, to me it is so obvious that I need to pause at times and recognize that even as I know only a little about Islam, some people have not even been exposed to this basic fact. But telling a person this fact is not adequate. Most people must learn enough about Islam to accept this fact on their own.
Therein is the challenge.
David R. Graham to Stanley1
You and 8ball (above) and a whole lot of others are not going to like this, but, by your leave (or not), here goes:
When I say everyone knows I mean everyone who can directly influence the course of events. They alone are the actual everyone of ordinary locution. The majority of citizens cannot directly influence the course of events, not even with their vote, which yet matters because they own it.
The British military historian and theorist — developed the concept of war by massed lightening-like strikes, which the inter-war German Army adopted and called Blitzkrieg — Liddell-Hart put it this way: The profoundest truth of war is that the issue of battle is usually decided in the minds of the opposing commanders, not in the bodies of their men.
In systems terms: quality counts more than quantity. Or Napoleon: In the difficult art of war, the morale is to the matériel as three is to one.
Enlighten one hundred actual leaders (guaranteed effectuators) and through them you have enlightened each of their hundreds and so on exponentially. That is what I mean by everyone knows. Those first one hundred, so to speak. And far more than that in USA leadership have known Ami’s message for a very long time. Which tells us this: that until DJT, our leaders have not been truthful with themselves or with us about what they in fact know about Islam and MB specifically. And that about them is not news to hardly anyone alive now, no matter their position in the affairs of men and nations. Wide-spread knowledge of that perfidy by those supposed and sworn to care for us made DJT PDJT. Miserere mei Deus.
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